Yes it is here.

Do you like any other Old Hollywood Actors and Actresses?

Yes! However, my main love is Marilyn as she is my favourite actress without a doubt.

Actresses: Vivien Leigh and Rita Hayworth I love.

However I do also like; Audrey Hepburn, Grace Kelly, Jayne Mansfield and Jean Harlow.

Actors: Clark Gable, Jack Lemmon, Robert Mitchum. I’ve only seen a couple of their films but I love them either way.

How Old Are You?

18.

How do you make gifs?

Photoscape and I use VLC Player for screen capping.

How did you first start to like Marilyn?

In October/November 2010 I luckily read the November Vanity Fair issue and was amazed by Marilyn’s amazing determination to fight through her anxiety, depression and many other battles. Therefore, because of this I went home and started researching about Marilyn and found out that for twenty years after her death, second husband Joe Dimaggio sent a dozen red roses twice a week to her grave for twenty years. This really broke my heart and I instantly fell in love with Marilyn, started to watch her films and read books and have loved her ever since! :)

How much did Marilyn weigh?

Marilyn weighed the majority of her life 115-121 pounds, (8.2 - 8.7 stone) her weight fluctuated during her pregnancies and her highest weight was up to 140 pounds (10 stone) Marilyn was never over weight for her 5 ft 5 and a half height either.

Did Marilyn die overweight?

No, far from it actually. Marilyn actually died arguably underweight at only 117 pounds. In many of her last pictures you can actually see her ribcage and many of her friends thought she was too thin. She lost her small weight gain starting from 1961.  

Did Marilyn make a sex tape?

No. The so called sex tape is proven to be not Marilyn and it the most ridiculous claim as the woman in question looks nothing like Marilyn!

Did Marilyn have any abortions?

No, as stated by her gynaecologists, Dr Leon Krohn:

“And the rumours of her multiple abortions are ridiculous. She never had even one. Later there were two miscarriages and an ectopic pregnancy requiring emergency termination [of a pregnancy] but no abortion.” 

Did Marilyn ever miscarry?

Sadly yes.

Marilyn suffered with chronic endometriosis for all of her life, her professional contract even had her off work whilst on her period. Marilyn suffered her first miscarriage in late August of 1956, whilst filming The Prince and The Show Girl, the pregnancy was later always doubted by people such as Amy and Allan, but Irving Stein’s daily memoranda of telephone calls from London indicate that as of August 31st, Marilyn’s condition was confirmed by two doctors.

Irving Stein noted,

“Milton’s told me by telephone that she was pregnant but she is afraid she will lose the baby.”

Marilyn apparently lost the baby during the first week of September.

In My Sister Marilyn, written by Bernice and Mona Rae Miracle they write, ”When Marilyn and Arthur return from England and the making of “The Prince and The Showgirl” in October 1956, “Bus Stop” is still playing in the theatres. Marilyn is gratified to find it a success. Critical comment is uniformly excellent. But this sense of well-being is dashed by another loss. While she and Arthur are living in Amagansett, Long-Island, Marilyn is rushed into surgery to terminate a six-week tubal pregnancy.

“My heart is broken,” Marilyn tells Bernice.

“I’m so sorry, honey. But you will be all right, won’t you?”

“I’ll try again.”

- extract from the wonderful, “My Sister Marilyn” By Bernice and Mona Rae Miracle. 

Marilyn’s second miscarriage was in August 1957, when she had found out she was pregnant in July. She suffered an ectopic pregnancy. Marilyn is pregnant on the famous beach pictures by Sam Shaw, which are often used as memes for the myths about Marilyn’s size.

Marilyn’s final known miscarriage was in 1958, Marilyn learned she was pregnant in late October, whilst filming Some Like It Hot; on December 16th she tragically miscarried again. 

Did Marilyn have an affair with President John F Kennedy?

It is highly unlikely. The pair only met four times, between October 1961 and August 1962. The final meeting being May 1962, it is at most that they had a one night stand, as the three other meetings where socially.

Did Marilyn’s career start to decline before she died?

No it did not, quite the contrary. Marilyn actually won her second Golden Globe Henrietta Award for Female World Favourite in March 1962. Although Marilyn had been wrongly fired (20th Century Fox where having massive production problems with Cleopatra and this and Something’s Got To Give where the only films currently in production. Therefore, Fox decided to blame Marilyn for her frequent absences and close the production down. Even though Marilyn was genuinely ill, (the doctor 20th Century Fox sent to Marilyn’s house confirmed this) and still tried to come in when she had temperatures over 100. She had just been rehired to continue Something’s Got To Give, as they had obviously realised the terrible mistake they had made. A new contract instated for $500,000 for a two picture deal. (Some reports say $1,000,000) and production was to resume in Autumn. She had been looking at many scripts and was hoping to work with close friends Frank Sinatra and Marlon Brando on film projects. Contrary to myths Marilyn’s career was continuing to grow and her star was definitely still shining, and still is fifty years later. Marilyn was and always will be 20th Century Fox’s most shining star and was one of the top box office stars of the fifties. See here Marilyn’s box office results with inflation in 2011 further shows her success as in the 1950s pictures costed only fifty cents to go and see one and they still made millions. See here; http://cogerson.hubpages.com/hub/Marilyn-Monroe-Box-Office-Results-with-Inflation-for-her-Best-and-Worst-movies)

Did Marilyn have 12 toes?

No. Baby pictures and every other picture with Marilyn’s feet show otherwise. The extra toe is actually, a grain of sand. The photographer Joseph Jasgur started of this myth, when in other pictures within the same photo shoot he took of Marilyn, this proves otherwise.

Did Marilyn sleep around?

No. So much of the stories flying around are simply that and not true. Marilyn was a virgin when she married her first husband Jim Dougherty he has said and she was even scared of having sex. As her Aunt Ana or Grace rarely talked to her about sex to her when learning she was going to be married she asked them if she could just be married and not have to be involved physically with him at first. Marilyn did not sleep with her film producers because to get better parts nor did she sleep with Hugh Hefner, she never even met him! Her calendar pictures were bought, it was not her choice for them to be in there. Marilyn had the chance many times to marry her agent Johnny Hyde, who was very wealthy and had serious health problems, but she frequently declined as she did not love him. Marilyn slept with her husbands obviously and some other people which she knew well and had relationships with. Nothing unusual or degrading. Just because Marilyn was viewed as a sex symbol this does not mean she herself was a “slut” or a “whore” horrible sexist terms which are passed around so unfairly and innacurate! All Marilyn wanted from relationships was to be loved and relationships were obviously an important factor in this given her lack of love or sufficient security in her constantly changing upbringing. 

What size was Marilyn Monroe?

Marilyn was a dress size 12 and size 10 and pant size 8 in the 50s and 60s, her clothes where custom made to fit her, like most of the Hollywood stars. Sizes were dramatically different then and are usually 2-4 sizes different. Marilyn’s measurements for modern UK dress sizes, Bust 35 = 6/8 Waist 22/23 = 4/6 (Us 0!) Hips 35 = 6. All people have to do is watch Marilyn’s films, see her clothes or nude pictures of her for this to be proven.

What was Marilyn’s shoe size?

7AA (USA) 38-39 (European) 5-6 (UK)

What were Marilyn’s Measurements?

• 35-22-35 - Dressmakers claims
• 37-23-36 - Studio Claims

What books would you recommend about Marilyn with legitimate sources?

• Marilyn Monroe The Biography By Donald Spoto
• Fragments
• My Sister Marilyn By Bernice and Mona Rae Miracle
• MM: Personal Archive
• MM: Private and Undisclosed By Michelle Morgan
• The Marilyn Encyclopedia By Adam Victor
• Marilyn Metamorphosis
• Marilyn Among Friends By Sam Shaw and Norman Rosten
• Marilyn; Her Life In Her Own Words By George Barris

These books are here due to the people behind them being known as notorious MM liars and not true friends of Marilyn and are simply fuelling further myths and conspiracies which are unfair to Marilyn’s legacy and herself.

• Norma Jean (yes, it is actually spelt like this)My Secret Life With Marilyn Monroe By Ted Jordan
• Anything by Robert Slatzer
• Anything by Jeanne Carmen
• Marilyn by Norman Mailer

- He actually admitted that,“I needed money badly” when he was interviewed by Mike Wallace on the CBS news program 60 Minutes (on July 13, 1973)

Therefore, all of these people have no legitimate sources, witnesses, or even substantiated sources or notes used for their book.

• Goddess: The Secret Lifes of Marilyn Monroe By Anthony Summers.

Extract taken from Donald Spoto’s Afterword: The Great Deception;

Summers hailed Slatzer as a legitimate source, an intimate of Marilyn who afforded important insights into her motivations and affairs. Jeanne Carmen was given equal stature, as was a ‘new York fan named James Haspiel - a man, who like Slatzer, parleyed a few photographs of himself with Marilyn into a career (and, eventually, wrote an insufferable book that had the temerity to offer a nightmarish fantasy of Robert Kennedy suffocating Marilyn to death with a pillow). Summers admitted that “Capell’s role as an investigator, given his right-wing zealotry, as hopelessly flawed,” but he failed to add that of course Capell’s work was the basis for the claims of Slatzer, Winchell and others Summer’s himself endorsed.

Worse, in Goddess Summers ignored and/ or frequently misrepresented those he claims to have interviewed. On the matter of Marilyn’d supposed despondency over the end of her “affair” with Robert Kennedy, for example, he quotes her publicist’s widow, Natalie Trundy Jacobs: “Arthur and I would stay at her house till five or six in the morning talking to her, trying to stop her drinking or taking pills.” But Natalie Jacobs has consistently denied ever making such a statement to Summers; on the contrary, her account has never varied. She met Marilyn once only, at Arthur’s hone for dinner and a film screening. Similarly, Ralph Roberts and Rupert Allan (to name only two more) were outraged at Summer’s manipulation and misuse of their comments to him. 

What colour eyes did Marilyn have?

Blue. Not Brown! Her autopsy certificate confirms this, her friends and family confirm this and in all of her colour films this is confirmed.

What do you think of My Week With Marilyn?

I personally loved it, so much so that I saw it twice on the pictures! I thought Michelle Williams and Kenneth Brannagh’s performances especially were amazing. I thought the scenery and the costumes were also breath taking. I also loved how they used the same studios, house and dressing room Marilyn had for The Prince and The Show Girl! Although their are controversies due to the truth of Colin/Marilyn’s alleged relationship, the portrayal of the production of The Prince and The Show Girl and the characters itself is amazing. 10/10! :)

Why does Marilyn have a scar in The Last Sitting Pictures By Bert Stern?

This is from her gall bladder operation in 1961, it is rarely noticeable on most pictures, e.g. on set for Something’s Got To Give.

Favourite Film?

I do love them all! But my top three would have to be;

Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, River Of No Return and Some Like It Hot!

Favourite photographers?

Alfred Eisensteadt, Bert Reisfield, Bert Stern, Ed Feingersh, Frank Powolny, Frank Worth, George Barris, Sam Shaw and Ted Baron. <3

Favourite photo shoots?

The pictures taken in Korea, How To Marry A Millionaire Publicity Pictures and Something’s Got To Give Costume/Make Up Tests.

Favourite picture of Marilyn?

It changes, but at the moment it would have to be the 1953 Publicity Photo for How To Marry A Millionaire By Sam Shaw!

Marilyn’s death?

My opinion is very mixed due to the mess of the autopsy however and the fabricated/changed accounts by Dr Ralph Greenson and Eunice Murray. However, after reading Donald Spoto’s wonderful biography about Marilyn I firmly believe her death was caused by an enema, which was probably instated by Eunice Murray or Dr Ralph Greenson. The autopsy states that there was no pill residue within Marilyn’s body so that makes it believe that the dose would only of been possible by lethal injection or an enema, which I believe as Marilyn often used them. However, it also states that there was no bruising on Marilyn’s body so lethal injection is unlikely and as her colonol was so badly bruised it is pretty obvious that the lethal enema killed her. There was also no water running in the house, and as Marilyn was known to gag on pills unless she had water with them, it is unlikely that she took them all at once. Even though Marilyn was known to of taken many suicide attempts either for attention, she was also revived so it is questionable. Also the fact her house was bugged by the fbi and the first police man on the scene, Sgt Jack Clemmons strongly believed it was a staged murder scene. Furthermore, the autopsy was done so messily with all organs not being looked at and thrown away so therefore the whole thing is very suspicious and therefore my answer is very mixed. All of witnesses around Marilyn in the last months of her life have said how Marilyn was happy and looking forward to the future, she was becoming more independent and removing negative people out of her life.However, because of the endless conspiracies and that it is unlikely of ever finding out the truth I try to focus on her wonderful life and the person she was and is almost fifty years later. :)

Marilyn’s Official Autopsy Report and Myths Dispelled:

This is one of the main reasons I have decided to update my FAQ Page as I am seeing my dashboard and messages flooded with conspiracies that are at most questionable and the majority untrue. So I am using Donald Spotos Highly Acclaimed Biography on Marilyn which dispels all the conspiracy theories thoroughly and focuses on Marilyn as a wonderful human being. You will see no record of notorious MM Users; Robert Slatzer or Jeanne Carmen.

(the best detailed biography on Marilyn I feel covering executive access to more than 35,000 pages of Marilyns personal papers - including letters, diaries, medical files, and other intimate documents. Based on more than 150 interviews too.)

I am taking this extract from Marilyn Monroe The Biography By Donald Spoto, I will indicate when it is my own words. :)

… “Miles away, another kind of care was being taken by  Dr. Thomas Noguchi, as he performed the autopsy on Marilyn Monroe. With him was a brilliant observer who would also be crucial toward an understanding of Marilyn’s death. 

In 1962, John Miner, was deputy district attorney of Los Angeles County and chief of it’s Medical Legal Section; as such, he was also liaison officer to the chief medical examiner - coroner’s office. Miner also taught forensic psychiatry at the University of Souther California and was particularly respected for his legal and medical expertise assessing suicides and deaths judged possible suicides. During his tenure as liaison officer to the coroner, Miner attended the post-mortem examination for every death reported as unnatural, which numbered over five thousand autopsies. That year, the medical examiner - coroner of Los Angeles County was Dr. Theodore Curphey,  who appointed Dr. Thomas Noguchi, deputy medical examiner, to perform the autopsy on Marilyn Monroe.

The preliminary report from the Office of the County Coroner, dated and signed by Noguchi at ten-thirty on Sunday morning, is contained in File Number 81128 in the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Mortuary, Hall of Justice, City of Los Angeles. The first supplement, a report of chemical analysis of the blood and liver, was dated and signed by R.J. Abernethy, Head Toxicologist, at eight o’ clock on the morning of August 13 (file Number 811128-I) Subsequently, on August 10, Curphey’s preliminary judgement was that death occurred because of a, “possible overdose of barbiturates.” On August 17, this was amended to be a, “probable suicide,” and on August 17, Curphey made his final statement still more forcefully, as “acute barbiturate poisoning - ingestion of overdose.”

This decision was based on the major chemical findings of toxological analyses, which seemed clear and unambigious.

First, there were no external signs of violence. Second, there was in the blood a count of eight milligrams of chloral hydrate and four and a half milligrams of Nembutal - but in the liver there was a count of thirteen milligrams, a much higher concentration of Nembutal. These figures are crucial toward a comprehension of how she died. 

On her bedside table, police had found full and partly full bottles of several drugs, among them antihistamines and medications for her sinusitis. There were also an empty bottle that had contained twenty-five 100-milligram Nembutal capsules, a prescription dated August 3, 1962, on authorization of Dr. Hyman Engelberg,; and ten capsules remaining from an original bottle of 500-milligram chloral hydrate capsules, a prescription dated July 25 and refilled on July 31 on authorization of Dr. Ralph Greenson.

This was important information for the Suicide Prevention Team, convened at the coroner’s request to come up with a psychological profile of the deceased at the time of death and thus the likelihood of suicide. “It was obvious to us, after speaking with Dr. Greenson about Marilyn’s psychiatric history,” said Dr. Robert Litman, a member of the team, “that the only conclusion we could reach was suicide, or at least a gamble with death.” But Litman and his colleagues did not believe that Marilyn took her life deliberately: ”since our studies from 1960, we have found no authenticated case where barbiturates were involved that a person was so drugged he didn’t know what he was doing.”

And yet Litman and his colleagues submitted a verdict of suicide because that had been Curphey’s initial judgement, because they had consulted only their colleague Greenson and because, as the Suicide Prevention Team, they pursued and rightly dismissed other options. She was neither psychotic nor, as Dr. Norman Farberow, another member of the team, added significantly, “an addict among addicts, and she had no physical dependency on drugs. Her intake could be considered light to medium. And she was certainly not mentally unbalanced so far as I could determine.” Besides, as Litman said, “We wanted to get this over with, to come to a decision, close the case, issue a death certificate and move on. But of course, that turned out to be a misplaced hope. Nobody ever moved on.”

Thomas Noguchi, John Miner and at least three other highly respected forensic pathologists reached a quite different conclusion from that of Curphey and the Suicide Prevention Team.

“I did not think she committed suicide.” said John Miner thirty years later. “And after interviewing Dr. Greenson I was even more convinced that Miss Monroe did not commit suicide. In fact, he did not believe it himself.”

Miner’s medical reasons for disbelieving the suicide verdict were supported by his interview with Greenson, from whom he learned that Marilyn was not only making plans for the future but that, “she felt that she had put everything bad behind her and could now go forward with her life.” - (These feelings are also felt by the wonderful George Barris in his book; Marilyn, her life in her own words.”)

A systematic review of the post-mortem chemical analyses provides the final crucial step from John Miner’s informed intuition to positive conclusions about Marilyn Monroe’s death. Whatever drugs caused it could only have been introduced into the body in one of three ways: by mouth, by injection, or by enema.

Marilyn could not have died by oral ingestion of capsules for several reasons.

First, the ratio of Nembutal found in the blood compared to that in the liver suggested to any competent forensic pathologist that Marilyn lived for many hours after ingestion of that drug. There was also “not a large reservoir left in the stomach or gastrointestinal tract to be drawing from” ; in fact, as Noguchi’s report stated, there was no trace of drugs in the stomach or in the duodenum, where absorption occurs. This means that while Marilyn was alive and mobile, throughout the day, the process of metabolising the Nembutal she had taken had already reached the stage where much of the toxic material had reached the liver and was beginning the process of excretion. “The barbiturates were absorbed over a period not of minutes but hours,” according to John Miner, “precisely as is indicated by the high concentration in the liver.” This report is consistent with what is known of Marilyn’s activities earlier that day, and what Greenson himself called her, “somewhat drugged” condition.

Second, suicide by deliberate Nembutal overdose would have been an action entirely inconsistent with everything in Marilyn Monroe’s life at the time - especially after the call from Joe Dimaggio, Jr., as reported by him and by Murray and Greenson.

Third, had she for some unknown reason suddenly decided to commit suicide, she would have taken a large dose at one time (not many capsules throughout the day, which she well knew how to ingest intermittently and at what dosages). The barbiturate would have reached a toxic level rapidly, and she would have died. But in that case: “Forty or fifty pills simply are not going to dissolve so quickly in the stomach,” as Dr. Arnold Abrams reported. “The odds that she took pills and died from them are astronomically unlikely.”

The possibility of barbiturate injection must also be rejected. A large dose enough to be lethal, injected intramuscularly or intravenously, would have resulted in an instantaneous death and a much higher level of barbiturate in the blood. As the district attorney observed in his 1982 review of the case and specifically of these blood levels, “This leads to a reasonable conclusion that Miss Monroe had not suffered a ‘hot shot’ or needle injection of a lethal dose.” Such a massive injection would also have left a swelling and bruise, the gradual disappearance of which would have ceased with death. But, “every inch of her body was inspected with magnifying glasses,” according to Miner (thus, too, Noguchi), “and there was simply no needle mark.”

The only possible route of administration of a fatal dose of drugs is confirmed by the discovery, during autopsy, off a bizarre condition, which Miner said was unique in his review of autopsies: a major area of Marilyn’s colon bore “marked congestion and purplish discoloration,” a condition consistent with rectal administration of barbiturates or chloral hydrate. “This abnormal, anomalous discoloration of the colon had to be accounted for,” said Miner in 1992. “Noguchi and I were convinced that an enema was absolutely the route of administrating the fatal drug dose.”

Abrams agreed:

“I have never seen anything like this in an autopsy. There was something crazy going on in this woman’s colon. And as for suicide, I simply can’t imagine a patient self-administering a fatal dose of barbiturates or even a sedative dose by taking the trouble to prepare and administer the solution” You don’t know what the necessary fatal dose will be, and you have no guarantee that it’s going to be absorbed before it’s expelled. Look: if you’re going to kill yourself with barbiturates, you do it with pills and glasses of water.”

As for Nembutal suppositories (sometimes fancifully suggested as the cause of death), these would only have reached about ten centimetres into the rectum: but in Marilyn’s case, the entire sigmoid colon, a section very much higher, was grossly discolored.

Administration by enema was indeed the route by which the fatal dose was administered. 

In this regard, it must be recalled that Marilyn had a history of taking enemas “for hygienic and for dietetic purposes,” as Miner said. (and as her designers, like William Travilla and Jean Louis, had known for a long time). “This was also much the fad among actresses in that era.”

But this conclusion does not solve the problem of what was administered in this enema and by whom. An explanation is still required of exactly what happened in Marilyn Monroe’s bedroom between the end of her conversation with Joe Dimaggio, Jr., at seven-twenty or seven-twenty-five, and her almost incoherent replies to Peter Lawford at seven-forty- or seven-forty-five. Perhaps the most poignant fact is that Marilyn seems to have been aware, as she answered Lawford’s call, that she was slipping over the edge from the kind of normal drug-induced sleep or sedation she knew so well, toward death - and she knew there was nothing she could do to reverse the situation. Quite contrary to those who say that Marilyn was crying “wolf” is the plain, tragic fact that she knew she was dying and could neither rouse herself nor summon help: “Say goodbye…”

The exact circumstances of Marilyn Monroe’s sad and unnecessary death can, in light of all thiss, at last be established.

First, it is important to remember that Ralph Greenson has ceased prescribing Nembutal for Marilyn Monroe. He was, as he said, “cutting down her dependence on Nembutal [which he no longer prescribed] by switching her to chloral hydrate [which he did] as a sleep inducer.” In fact, he said he had asked Hyman Engelberg not to prescribe Nembutal without his permission: they were to monitor the drugs each was providing. But the previous day Engelberg wrote Marilyn a prescription for Nembutal without Greenson’s knowledge.

“On Friday night,” Greenson wrote to Marianne Kris two weeks after Marilyn’s death, “she had told the internist’s that I had said it was all right for her to take some Nembutal and he had given it to her without checking with me, because he had been upset for his own personal reasons. He had just left his wife.” During Saturday, however, Greenson observed that Marilyn was, “somewhat drugged,” as he told Krisl he was too sophisticated and familiar with Marilyn not to recognize on what medication she was she was “somewhat drugged.”

While the precise amount of Nembutal was unknown to him, the ineffectiveness of it was clear - she was awake, angry and difficult to manage. Greenson’s solution to this was revealed in the toxicological analysis: chloral hydrate, his drug of choice for her, was present in the blood and not the liver. And because the level of chloral hydrate was twice that of the Nembutal (which had accumulated in the lifer, having been ingested gradually over many hours), it is clear that the chloral hydrate was administered, after the Nembutal had been taken.

In his haste that evening, Greenson perhaps overlooked one crucial factor, the adverse interaction of the two drugs. Chloral Hydrate interferes with the body’s production of enzymes that metabolize Nembutal. It was the chloral hydrate that pushed Marilyn over the edge. Some of the Nembutal was being processed by the liver, but much (four and half milligrams, more than a lethal dose) had not been metabolized. As Milton Rudin recalled Greeson saying on the night of Marilyn’s death: “God damn it! Hy gave her a prescription I didn’t know about!” John Miner recalled a similar, incomplete statement: “If only I’d known about that other prescription…”

“If only,” then what? Would Greenson indeed have forgone that last heavy dose of chloral hydrate?

Two weeks later, he described his departure that night to Marianne Kris in the most pacific tone: “I told Marilyn,” Greenson wrote to Kirs, “that she should call me on Sunday morning when she awakened and I left.” But in the event, Greenson felt irritated, resentful and rejected; unable to accept that this romantic self-image of saviour had been terminated and aware that he could no longer continue in the mode of control he had so carefully constructed, he chose the easier route. “He’d had enough, he was exhausted, he’d spent the day with her,” as Milton Rudin said of him. And so, before departing, Greenson arranged for Marilyn to take a sedative enema, since she was physiologically resisting the effects of oral medication. Chloral hydrate would enable her to sleep. Short of the usual Engelberg injection, which Greenson tried but failed to obtain, the most powerful route of administration, as he knew, was an enema - something on which Marilyn often relied for other purposes. But she did not know that a chloral hydrate enema could be dangerous, even fatal, as a sequel to Nembutal.

“She probably regarded this as an ordinary enema being given to her,” said Miner. “It would have been inserted slowly, not unpleasantly, not causing any immediate urgency for evacuation. After several minutes” - during which time she took Lawford’s call - “she then would have lapsed into unconsciousness. The absorption continued, ant though still alive, she was dying.”

But who, at last, gave the chloral hydrate enema?

The only person who could have done it was Eunice Murray, and this was indeed her last act as Marilyn Monroe’s employee and Ralph Greenson’s watchdog. “I always felt the key was Mrs. Murray,” said John Miner thirty years after the fact, speaking fully for the first time.

But Eunice was acting under orders from Greenson, the man she had looked to for fifteen years as her protector and employment provider. As her son-in-law Philip LaClair insisted years later, “Eunice did only what Ralph Greenson told her to do. She always followed his orders closely, because she had no formal training as a nurse. There’s a lot I could say about Greenson, but I won’t.”

Accustomed to delegate the administration of medicine to others, it was logical for Greenson to ask Eunice to do this particular deed. Moreover, giving an enema is not within the range of a psychiatrist’s duties, especially not a male psychiatrists with a female patient: no matter how obsessive his attachment, Greenson’s ego would not permit so intimate a physical act. But asking an untrained woman with no nursing credentials to give a drug in such a way that its method of administration is potentially lethal - no matter how careful the instruction might have been - is professional imprudent and in fact downright reckless.

On the other hand, it is possible that Ralph Greenson never actually left Fifth Helena Drive that night - he may not have had to return at all. For years he claimed he went out to dinner with friends, but even when Greenson was questioned, his “friends” were never named, they never stepped forward of their own accord, and the Greenson family, interviewed frequently after his death, never identified anyone. Milton Rudin, for one, believed that Greenson was at home all evening. Even had he remained at Fifth Helena, Greenson would likely have absented himself (however proximately) during Eunice’s nursing task; either way, responsibility for that task was his.

This scene of the drama closes with another important detail previously remarked upon but never taken into account: Eunice’s inexplicable washing of garments and linens, as Clemmons attested and as Miner later learned. “Why, under these circumstances,” as Miner asked rhetorically, “would a housekeeper be doing the laundry at such an hour - unless the bed clothing had become soiled as a result of the administration of these drugs?” Abrams concurred: “Eventually, of course, when she slipped into her terminal coma, the enema had to be expelled. Thus the washing of the sheets,” which, as Miner added, “was an especially hard thing to understand unless Mrs. Murray was destroying evidence.”

To the horror of everyone involved, what may have been intended as Marilyn’s long, deep sleep became her death.

There were numerous details to be arranged that night, along with the sanitizing of what was, to say the least, an ugly situation. “Arthur said it was horrendous,” Natalie Jacobs recalled him saying after that night. “He never gave me any details, and I never asked him. He said only that it was too dreadful to discuss.”

This appalling situation explains the long delay between the arrival of Greenson at Fifth Helena and the summons to police five hours later. If indeed he left at all, Greenson returned immediately after Rudin’s call to Eunice had sent her to Marilyn’s room - where everything had gone wrong. Marilyn was unresponsive; she had expelled the enema’ and they were other aspects of the “horrendous” scene occurring in the case of someone comatose, moribund or even, by this time, dead.

Certainly, as the telephone calls indicated and as Rudin conceded, Greenson arrived before the small hours, locating Engelberg only later at his temporary residence in West Los Angeles, where he lived because of his marital separation. Presumably there was an attempt to revive Marilyn, to reverse the effects of the drugs. (Henry Weinstein recalled that at least once before, Greenson summoned Engleberg to pump out Marilyn’s stomach when she had apparently taken too many Nembutal in her Doheny Drive apartment.) Also, according to both Eunice and a note in the district attorney’s 1982 report, an ambulance was summoned around midnight and then dismissed on arrival - because she was dead, and because California law prohibits the transport of a corpse in an ambulance. Greenson and Murray must have felt an almost paralyzing panic as the enormity of the disaster became clear to them. How does one announce one’s involvement in, or explain one’s discovery of, the death of Marilyn Monroe, so much adored by all the world?

Once it was clear that Marilyn was beyond resuscitation, there were details to be staged. A window had to be broken, so that it would appear as if a forced entry had been necessary. There was the blackout fabric to be removed (which it was, and neatly folded by the time police arrived), to substantiate the story concocted about Eunice retracting the drapes with a fireplace iron. Most of all, there was an account that Greenson and Murray had to fabricate and which they had to rehearse. And there were soiled linens to be cleaned.

Had Ralph Greenson himself administered the fatal enema, Eunice Murray would have said so - if not during his lifetime, then after his death, when she had a great deal to gain financially and the public’s lingering suspicion of which to unburden herself. After Marilyn, Eunice worked neither for Greenson nor anyone else as nurse or housekeeper. One imaginative suggest has been that Greenson provided her with hush money, making a financial settlement to cover his own calamitous indiscretion. But a pay off does not accord with the poverty in which Eunice subsequently lived, moving from one small Santa Monica apartment to another until her daughters took her in frail old age.

Very soon, then, there was a dark and dreadful collusion firmly in place.

Ralph Greenson could never reveal what he knew about Eunice Murray because this would have effectively ended his career. He had hired a non-professional - and a troubled woman, at that - and asked her to perform a medical task because he could not locate Engelberg. This was a rank and reckless lack of professionalism, perhaps subconsciously justified by him because of his anger at his beloved but unresponsive patient. This was, after all, the most famous movie star in the world: he could not tell the truth of the matter. In fact, Greenson could be rather smug about the success of the cover-up, for when photographer William Woodfield later asked him about the large prescriptions of chloral hydrate he had allotted Marilyn, Greenson replied casually, “Well, I’ve made a number of mistakes in my time.”

For her part, Eunice Murray could not point the finger at anyone else because she had done the actual deed. All she and Greenson could so was weakly state that they did not believe Marilyn Monroe took her own life deliberately. “Nobody then or later,” as John Miner said, “undertook to realize that Mrs. Murray was concealing information. She simply wasn’t telling the whole truth and never did thereafter.” Miner was correct, for apart from the insufficiency of her stories about the light and/or telephone cord beneath Marilyn’s bedroom door, Eunice did not lie so much as deny. Rightly she denied the presence of Robert Kennedy: “I don’t recall him being there at all” in July or August, she said, - because, indeed, he was not.

(Kennedy’s presence at the remote Bates ranch in Gilroy that weekend is beyond dispute: in fact it was documented not only by the Bates family and household employees in detail but also by the Gilroy Dispatch the following Monday. “The attorney general and his family were with us every minute from Friday afternoon to Monday,” said John Bates, “and there is simply no physical way that he could have gone to South California and returned.” Accounts to the contrary by the media and so-called eyewitnesses Bates always considered, “outrageous, ridiculous and disgraceful.”

Bates is quite correct, for the airstrip nearest to his ranch is at San Jose, an hour’s journey by car. Because of the deep canyons, steep mountains and high power lines, helicopter flights have been always dangerous in and out of Mount Madonna, the site of the Bates ranch. The only practicable means of transportation from Gilroy to Los Angeles in 1962 was by car, a journey of less than five hours each way.

Since 1962, the Kennedy schedule for that weekend has been well preserved in the Bates family guest books and documented in their photo albums. On Saturday morning, August 4, both families rose early and ate large breakfasts before Robert and Ethel Kennedy joined John and and Nancy Bates for a horseback ride.

The foreman of the Bates ranch, Roland Synder, was another witness to the weekend. “I saddled the horses for Mr. and Mrs. Bates and for Mr. and Mrs. Kennedy, then they lined up and I took their picture and they took off for Mount Madonna. They were here all weekend, that’s certain. By God, he wasn’t anywhere L.A. - he was here with us.”) - Extract taken from Donald Spoto’s biography. 

Asked about her published memoir as a basis for solving the mystery, Eunice’s last statement on record about the death of Marilyn Monroe sounds very like the beginning of a confession: of her book The Last Months, she said in 1987, “I wouldn’t swear to my version at all.” (She also apparently, when being interviewed forgot her microphone was still turned on after finishing filming and said at the age of eighty five, twenty five years later, “Oh, why - at my age - do I have to keep covering up for this thing?”

As for Engelberg, his distribution of dangerous and habit-forming drugs, not to say his continued reliance on Greenson, put him in no position to expose anyone’s deeds - which he very likely considered at worst an unfortunate accident.

- Extract used from pages 582-591 and page 562.

Therefore, it is pretty conclusive that Marilyn died via an enema as there was no other way this would of been possible given the circumstances.

Conflicting accounts of Eunice Murray and Dr. Ralph Greenson:

This extract is also taken from Donald Spoto’s’ biography pages 574-577. :)

… These first hand reports (from Arthur and Natalie Jacobs, Milton Rudin, Peter Lawford, Joe Naar and Milton Ebbins) fully contradict the entire official report of Marilyn Monroe’s death, which depends on Ralph Greenson’s and Eunice Murray’s “version” of events.

To be accepted, the accounts of Greenson and Murray relied on the consensus that no one thought there was anything amiss until around three o’clock Sunday morning, August 5 - fully ninety minutes after Lawford’s telephone call from Ebbins and almost five hours after the news was reported to Jacobs.

At three, Eunice said, she awake, “for reasons I still don’t understand” (as she said with her typical blend of feigned innocence, coy vagueness and a soupçon of bogus mysticism). She then noticed a light under the door to Marilyn’s room, tried to open the door, found it locked and then, her concerns aroused, telephoned Greenson. He instructed her to take a fireplace poker, then to go outside the house and part the draperies through the open grille-covered front casement windows, to see if Marilyn was asleep and apparently well. Eunice did as she was told and saw Marilyn lying nude and motionless on the bed. This she reported back to Greenson on the telephone. He rushed over and, using the same fireplace iron, broke a second, unbarred window (on the side of the house), which he unlatched, thereby climbing into Marilyn’s bedroom. A moment later he unlocked the bedroom door from within to admit Eunice, saying quietly to her, “We’ve lost her.” At three-fifty, Greenson telephoned Engelberg, who pronounced Marilyn dead. At four-twenty five, the two doctors then called the police, who arrived at the house ten minutes later.

The first flaw in the story was the idea that light shone under the door: new, deep-pile white carpeting had recently been installed in Marilyn’s bedroom, so thick that for two weeks it had prevented the door from being fully closed, which it could not be until a slightly pressed arc was worn into the carpet. No light could be seen beneath the door. Confronted with this later, Eunice quickly amended her account to say that she became alarmed when she noticed the telephone cord leading under the door.

But there were even more serious problems.

For one thing, there was never an operating lock on Monroe’s door, a fact Murray conceded years later in written correspondence. On February 9 1987, archivist and genealogist Roy Turner wrote to Eunice (who he had befriended), asking, “Was Marilyn’s door locked when you found her?” She replied in one handwritten word following his question: “No.” This would have been entirely true, for Marilyn never locked her bedroom door; leaving the door unlocked had been a lifelong habit, especially reinforced since the Payne Whitney experience. “She didn’t lock doors,” Pat said years later. “I never thought about that, but it’s true.” Ralph Roberts and Rupert Allan concurred. 

Between March 15 and June 30, according to their invoice #7451, the A - 1 Lock & Safe Company of 3114 Wilshire Boulevard, Santa Monica, installed only two locks in the house: a cabinet lock for Cherie Redmond’s files, and a replacement lock for the front door of the house. Additional locks were not installed until August 15 and 21, after Marilyn’s death (A - 1 invoice #7452)

Moreover, the idea that Eunice parted the draperies of Marilyn’s bedroom window with a fireplace poker and found the actress, sprawled dead across her bed, is impossible to accept. The window coverings were not draperies but the heavy blackout fabric from Doheny Drive, nailed across the casement and beyond both sides of the window by Ralph Roberts soon after Marilyn moved in. Disturbed by the slightest light when trying to sleep, Monroe had them installed in one piece there was no part in the middle for Eunice to push aside even if the windows had been open.

The question of timing also proved troublesome for Eunice. When she was interviewed by Sergeant Jack Clemmons, the first police officer arriving on the scene at four-thirty-five on the morning of August 5, Eunice said she had called Greenson to the house at about midnight. But soon she must have realized the problems this would cause, for Greenson had not called the police until four and a half hours later. And so, by the time a detective interviewed her later that Sunday morning, she changed the time of her call to Greenson to three. The summons at about midnight would, however, have been consistent with the news reported to Lawford by Ebbins, that Rudin and Greenson were at the house before one-thirty, and that Marilyn was already dead.

Greenson told the police the same story as Murray, but his version never changed because he agreed to be interviewed but rarely, never wrote a memoir and was never challenged. The failure in both versions to mention the presence of Milton Rudin further damages the credibility of Greenson’s account. 

Family Mental Illness/ Bipolar Disorder?

No I don’t think Marilyn did, Marilyn had terrible anxiety and depression and was through all of her life fearful of getting her family “illness”. However from what I have been reading Marilyn’s mothers fathers Otis was believed to have died insane, however he died from syphilis of the brain but due to its symptoms he was wrongly believed to of died insane. Gladys grandad, Tilford Hogan was alive in the stock market crash of 1929, where depression hit a lot of families due to the hunger and hardships of the crash. Therefore suicides steadily increased and tragically Tilford hung himself. Therefore Gladys, after being wrongly informed her father had died of madness, her mother Della’s death had been recorded as cause by manic depressive psychosis, when actually she had in August 1927 been taken to hospital from suffering from acute myocarditis, (inflammation of the heart) and her grandad’s suicide had convinced her that her family had a history of mental illness. Therefore causing her to fall into a deep depression and become a paranoid schizophrenic tragically, from wrongly informed information. Therefore, because of the false information she and the rest of her family were informed of a supposed family mental illness, when this was never the case. So no I don’t think that and there is NO medical proof. :)

Quotes that are popular but have no source so are therefore not legitmate:

• “I’m selfish, impatient and a little insecure. I make mistakes, I am out of control and at times hard to handle. But if you can’t handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don’t deserve me at my best.” 

• “I believe that everything happens for a reason. People change so that you can learn to let go, things go wrong so that you appreciate them when they’re right, you believe lies so you eventually learn to trust no one but yourself, and sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.” 

• “Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius and it’s better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring.” 

• “A wise girl kisses but doesn’t love, listens but doesn’t believe, and leaves before she is left.” 

• “I am good, but not an angel. I do sin, but I am not the devil. I am just a small girl in a big world trying to find someone to love.” 

• “To all you girls that think you’re fat because you’re not a size 0, you’re the beautiful one, it’s society that’s ugly.”

“Marilyn only played dumb blonde roles”

WRONG!

I don’t know why people assume that Marilyn wasn’t talented because she played a few dumb blonde roles, she was an amazing comedienne and those roles were very contrasting with her real self. Marilyn actually played quite a few diverse roles in her career, you should check them out!

• The Asphalt Jungle
• Don’t Bother To Knock
• Niagara
• Gentlemen Prefer Blondes
• River Of No Return
• Bus Stop
• The Prince and The Show Girl
• The Misfits

Before anyone states, “Why is Gentlemen Prefer Blondes in there?!” if you watch the whole film, the conclusion comes about with everyone realising that Marilyn’s character, Lorelei is really smart.

Marilyn reportedly suggested the memorable line, “I can be smart when I Want to. But most men don’t like it.”

:)

Awards and Nominations?

Marilyn actually won her second Golden Globe Henrietta Award for Female World Favourite in March 1962. (Her first one was won in 1954) (For other awards and nominations see here; She had also won a Golden Globe for Best Actress in 1960 for her performance in Some Like It Hot (1959) (She was also nominated in 1956 for Best Actress for her portrayal of Cherie in Bus Stop) and received the Crystal Award for Best Foreign Actress in March 1959 which is the French equivalent of the Oscar and David Di Donatello Prize for Best Foreign Actress of 1958 in 1959 which is the Italian equivalent of the Oscar. She had also picked up to BAFTA Nominations for Best Foreign Actress for The Seven Year Itch and The Prince and The Showgirl. Nearly all of Marilyn’s films had prestigious nominations. Also see here; http://www.immortalmarilyn.com/HerAwards.html

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